How much money have you got? I recently acquired 2x Synology DS 1513+ (5 Bay, 4 NICs with teaming, ) which is a bit smaller than the one you are looking at. Although I'm, currently, only using them as iSCSI targets with a couple of shared folders.
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I started a thread quite similar to this a while ago which might provide some insights into various NAS solutions and Vendors. There is also some good info regarding HDD's too. A lot of recommendations for a SAM-SD Many people here have told me that QNAP after sales support leaves a lot to be desired. Only having a QNAP TS-212 at home I can't comment on the bigger QNAP NAS' other than my pint-sized one has not had any issues. NetworkNerd wrote: Just regarding NAS / SAN in general, there is no way you should be considering either one to use as storage to run your VMs unless you're 100% sure local storage on your hosts and a good backup solution will not meet business continuity requirements. That's almost correct. But it implies that somehow NAS or SAN can improve business continuity - they cannot, they purely work against that.
It should read 'Just regarding NAS / SAN in general, there is no way you should be considering either one to use as storage to run your VMs unless you're 100% sure local storage on your hosts and a good backup solution will not meet business scalability needs.' Zeeb44 wrote: I have been looking into getting a NAS/SAN for our network to use for storage, backups, and even put VM's on. I have been looking into QNAP's. And this one in particular Anyone have experience with it? Or any suggestions on SAN/NAS for a VM environment? I have a QNAP.
It randomly reboots, takes 4 days to rebuild a RAID 6, with murderous latency while it happens, has a dead drive bay that will not work, and if it dies I'm looking realistically at a week to get them to replace it. I mostly use it for backups and even that I want to phase it out of use for. Particular reason you want to front a Dell/HP server that has a 4 hour support agreement with a device with an RPO/RTO realistically of a week or more?
I'm curious what your business case for looking at this is? Jrichardsonfdh wrote: Mainly for backups, a public storage drive for our company, That's where NAS is great. Great for backups (where uptime is inconsequential) and shared public storage although the later is often better addressed by virtualized file servers unless data availability isn't a high concern. NAS is great for second tier storage like this. But backing VMs is where shared storage really fails to deliver until you get to the really big systems on high scale (many hosts attached to them) and where they shine there isn't reliability but in cost savings in huge environments. Jrichardsonfdh wrote: I've seen something called a SAM-SB people keep referencing and I've seen it has something to do with you. What exactly is it?
I'm fairly new to the community so please excuse me. A few people were telling me to look into that before a SAN or NAS? Yes, but I didn't name it. It's actually a bit confusing. It is not a product but a rough set of specifications for enterprise, open storage.
All his works are available for download as individual songs or in volumes. All of them are available in staff notation only (Vols I-VI) or in staff notation with tonic solfa notation added (Vols Ia-VIa). It comprises 145 scores in pdf, covering 182 unaccompanied short choral works and 1 piano work by Sotho composer Joshua Pulumo Mohapeloa. Solfa notation on hossana diri. Joshua Pulumo Mohapeloa Critical Edition in Six Volumes (ISMN 979-0-804003-89-5) was first launched in 2015 and was completely revised in 2016 both on this site and as a CD-Rom for publication in SAMUS: South African Music Studies, journal of the South African Society for Research in Music (SASRIM).
If they are telling you to look at that 'before SAN or NAS' what they mean is 'before other SAN or NAS options.' A SAM-SD is still a SAN, NAS or both (depending on configuration) but is enterprise grade and more flexible while costing less than the high end SAN/NAS vendors. It can be built many different ways so is more complex to discuss as it isn't a 'thing' as much as a concept. It's like shorthand for 'don't go to a vendor, SAN and NAS is just a server sharing storage, so build a great server that is perfect for sharing storage.' More or less. One of the benefits of the SAM-SD approach is that you can make really reliable, cost effective clustered storage for virtualization.
And even a single, non-clustered SAM-SD will crush anything in the QNAP's field (Synology, Buffalo, etc.) But it is still a shared storage platform and while I love my namesake, I don't think that it applies to your setup. Any shared storage, even ones named after me, only apply to 4+ VM hosts and even then only in certain situations. Local storage beats shared storage in too many ways. Jrichardsonfdh wrote: So in an environment with 2-3 VM hosts and maybe 10+ VM's just stick with local internal storage? If 2 VM hosts (which is should be for ~10 VMs) no question. At 3 there is an extreme fringe where you might consider shared storage but only very rarely and only when you are trying to cut costs, not add speed or reliability.
How much money have you got? I recently acquired 2x Synology DS 1513+ (5 Bay, 4 NICs with teaming, ) which is a bit smaller than the one you are looking at. Although I'm, currently, only using them as iSCSI targets with a couple of shared folders.
Click here to find out how to download your own FREE EMC VNX or Celerra VSA. Home / EMC / EMC VNX and Celerra Virtual Storage Appliance (VSA) – Free Download Link. EMC VNX and Celerra Virtual Storage Appliance (VSA) – Free Download Link. Installing the EMC Celerra UBER VSA in your VMware vSphere Lab – Part 2.
I started a thread quite similar to this a while ago which might provide some insights into various NAS solutions and Vendors. There is also some good info regarding HDD's too. A lot of recommendations for a SAM-SD Many people here have told me that QNAP after sales support leaves a lot to be desired. Only having a QNAP TS-212 at home I can't comment on the bigger QNAP NAS' other than my pint-sized one has not had any issues. NetworkNerd wrote: Just regarding NAS / SAN in general, there is no way you should be considering either one to use as storage to run your VMs unless you're 100% sure local storage on your hosts and a good backup solution will not meet business continuity requirements. That's almost correct. But it implies that somehow NAS or SAN can improve business continuity - they cannot, they purely work against that.
It should read 'Just regarding NAS / SAN in general, there is no way you should be considering either one to use as storage to run your VMs unless you're 100% sure local storage on your hosts and a good backup solution will not meet business scalability needs.' Zeeb44 wrote: I have been looking into getting a NAS/SAN for our network to use for storage, backups, and even put VM's on. I have been looking into QNAP's. And this one in particular Anyone have experience with it? Or any suggestions on SAN/NAS for a VM environment? I have a QNAP.
It randomly reboots, takes 4 days to rebuild a RAID 6, with murderous latency while it happens, has a dead drive bay that will not work, and if it dies I'm looking realistically at a week to get them to replace it. I mostly use it for backups and even that I want to phase it out of use for. Particular reason you want to front a Dell/HP server that has a 4 hour support agreement with a device with an RPO/RTO realistically of a week or more?
I'm curious what your business case for looking at this is? Jrichardsonfdh wrote: Mainly for backups, a public storage drive for our company, That's where NAS is great. Great for backups (where uptime is inconsequential) and shared public storage although the later is often better addressed by virtualized file servers unless data availability isn't a high concern. NAS is great for second tier storage like this. But backing VMs is where shared storage really fails to deliver until you get to the really big systems on high scale (many hosts attached to them) and where they shine there isn't reliability but in cost savings in huge environments. Jrichardsonfdh wrote: I've seen something called a SAM-SB people keep referencing and I've seen it has something to do with you. What exactly is it?
I'm fairly new to the community so please excuse me. A few people were telling me to look into that before a SAN or NAS? Yes, but I didn't name it. It's actually a bit confusing. It is not a product but a rough set of specifications for enterprise, open storage.
All his works are available for download as individual songs or in volumes. All of them are available in staff notation only (Vols I-VI) or in staff notation with tonic solfa notation added (Vols Ia-VIa). It comprises 145 scores in pdf, covering 182 unaccompanied short choral works and 1 piano work by Sotho composer Joshua Pulumo Mohapeloa. Solfa notation on hossana diri. Joshua Pulumo Mohapeloa Critical Edition in Six Volumes (ISMN 979-0-804003-89-5) was first launched in 2015 and was completely revised in 2016 both on this site and as a CD-Rom for publication in SAMUS: South African Music Studies, journal of the South African Society for Research in Music (SASRIM).
If they are telling you to look at that 'before SAN or NAS' what they mean is 'before other SAN or NAS options.' A SAM-SD is still a SAN, NAS or both (depending on configuration) but is enterprise grade and more flexible while costing less than the high end SAN/NAS vendors. It can be built many different ways so is more complex to discuss as it isn't a 'thing' as much as a concept. It's like shorthand for 'don't go to a vendor, SAN and NAS is just a server sharing storage, so build a great server that is perfect for sharing storage.' More or less. One of the benefits of the SAM-SD approach is that you can make really reliable, cost effective clustered storage for virtualization.
And even a single, non-clustered SAM-SD will crush anything in the QNAP's field (Synology, Buffalo, etc.) But it is still a shared storage platform and while I love my namesake, I don't think that it applies to your setup. Any shared storage, even ones named after me, only apply to 4+ VM hosts and even then only in certain situations. Local storage beats shared storage in too many ways. Jrichardsonfdh wrote: So in an environment with 2-3 VM hosts and maybe 10+ VM's just stick with local internal storage? If 2 VM hosts (which is should be for ~10 VMs) no question. At 3 there is an extreme fringe where you might consider shared storage but only very rarely and only when you are trying to cut costs, not add speed or reliability.